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Matty: 0:56

This is episode 10,.

Megan: 0:57

you guys, Happy 10th episode Happy 10th anniversary Well today we are coming to you from the cabin in the woods. Still we're here on the historic Osabo River and we have a new guest with us, One of our oldest friends, Melissa Hello.

JJ: 1:15

Hi Melissa. I know that you know Matty and Megan back from middle school.

Melissa: 1:23

Yeah, elementary for Megan middle for Matty yeah, but I do remember, like if it was today.

JJ: 1:29

The first time we met was probably like 10. I mean, I've been here probably 15 years, 10, 12 years probably but it was around the 4th of July holiday and a boat trip that we had and it was love at first sight, oh my.

Matty: 1:44

God.

JJ: 1:44

It was also quite an adventurous boat trip. That was a boat trip that we had and it was love at first sight. Oh my God, it was also quite an adventurous boat trip.

Matty: 1:48

That was a boat ride. How could you forget? I mean, yeah, you cannot not forget that boat trip, because we almost died it was a bumpy one.

Megan: 1:54

There was an issue with the boat where the steering went out and my dad was driving us and he couldn't steer at all.

Melissa: 2:01

Can I say I don't think the steering went out when we were on the boat. I think he knew ahead of time that there was issues with the steering and we just thought we could just go on.

Matty: 2:14

We weren't on like a calm, we were in Lake Michigan.

Melissa: 2:17

There was a rogue wave and he tried to do a real quick turn and Fitz, megan's dog was a little pup.

JJ: 2:27

Yeah, oh my God, yeah, I remember this.

Melissa: 2:29

A little baby Rottweiler.

Megan: 2:30

How old is Fitz? He's eight.

JJ: 2:32

So it was eight years ago. Oh well, there you go, there we go, we found out, yeah.

Megan: 2:37

Yes, anyway, we almost crashed Fitz, as a baby puppy almost flew off the boat.

Matty: 2:42

A baby, puppy almost flew off the boat. Phones were flying. A cell phone like this is in slow motion came at me and I reached out and just snatched it from the air.

Megan: 2:50

I think it was mine and I was forever grateful I didn't lose that iPhone in Lake Michigan. You're welcome, thank you.

JJ: 2:55

What a way to bond.

Melissa: 2:57

Yes, that was a great first meeting. That was a great day.

Megan: 3:00

Well, we have a lot more controversial feedback from our slippers. First it was the Merkins, and now it is the Mallards. Yeah, yeah.

JJ: 3:10

Matty you're in trouble again, I know.

Matty: 3:13

And you know what I like to think, that I do my prep for these calls appropriately.

JJ: 3:18

but I've got some Tracy and Stacey feedback that kind of rhymes, yeah, and we got Merkins and Mallards.

Matty: 3:23

Tracy and Stacey. Oh, that kind of rhymes. We got Merkins and Mallards, tracy and Stacey. I got some feedback from Tracy in Royal Oak. Let me just read it.

Megan: 3:38

I think you better read it.

Matty: 3:39

This is what hit my inbox.

Megan: 3:41

Well, our inbox.

Matty: 3:43

Our inbox. Well, I checked it.

Melissa: 3:46

We are a group.

Matty: 3:46

Correct.

Melissa: 3:47

But he's the one who made the mistakes.

Megan: 3:49

Well, it is his mistake, he's got to own it yeah.

Matty: 3:51

Here it goes like this oh my gosh, I cannot listen one minute longer, knowing that you just made another error in the pod, which is to say the merkin was an.

Megan: 4:04

It was an error right.

Matty: 4:05

Mallards are not only male ducks idiot the Mallard the Mallard version the Mallard version of the male is indeed prettier, but Mallard ducks are also female less prettier. I hope you find my feedback helpful. And then she went on to say fun fact they only mate for one year and then they find another lover.

Matty: 4:34

She spelled lover L-O-V-A. I love it.

Matty: 4:38

So, Tracy, I don't know if we've lost you as a listener.

JJ: 4:42

Hopefully not.

Megan: 4:43

I think we need to. We need this critical feedback. Jj and I questioned Matty about these mallards because we said it's a duck type and you're like no, no, it's a male duck, I've always been taught fake it till you, make it.

Melissa: 4:57

I know these ducks.

Matty: 4:59

I'm just stating it.

Megan: 5:01

I was half correct in that they are the prettier the like the peacock but that's standard in a bird world it is just like that. Well, you're correct in that it's a duck but, outside of that I don't think there's much correct okay, well, all right.

Matty: 5:18

Well, who invited her? Okay? So then, stacey, I'll just be completely transparent. She is my older sister and I got a text message from her direct to say I'm jonesing to get on this podcast. What do I have to do? And I'm like I, I mean, what do you got? She's like well, my dahlias, of course. So she grows hundreds of dahlias. They're gorgeous. These, these flowers, however, are uh, they're like the hummingbird very, very difficult, very difficult. Oh, they are. And I'm like well, I don't know, is this, is the dahlia really that salacious?

Matty: 6:01

and she sent me what I would consider three nsfw photos I was not, even I was surprised dahlia bulbs. Like the bulbs, we'll post at least one. Can we post at least one in the post? Yeah, we can do that promo and you'll see and I'm like, well, she's making a good case, so we jury's out.

Megan: 6:23

Well, you slippers can vote. Let us know well, should matt's sister, come on on the pod yeah, and talk about her salacious dahlias, yeah they are yeah there is a big community of dahlias, there are fans, well, that's a good point.

Matty: 6:38

Yeah, well, because that's the other thing. I'm like well, how big is this community? Maybe?

Megan: 6:42

we do want to lock in the dahlias yeah well, we don't have any dahlias up here around the cabin, but there's lots of wildlife around us and we, every day we've been up here, have been met every morning with a beaver and a bunch of little baby ducklings.

Matty: 6:57

One more beaver than I'm looking for.

Megan: 7:00

Well, you've seen them before.

JJ: 7:02

You're not a platinum gay.

Melissa: 7:05

Well, it's a creature feature In the afternoon we get a gaggle.

Megan: 7:10

I can actually see some right now, oh you are, geese are out.

Matty: 7:12

That's not planned.

Megan: 7:13

Yeah Well, and then today, which is fitting for a July 4th holiday vacay we saw a bald eagle flying around, he was so magnificent and beautiful.

JJ: 7:26

Another creature feature.

Megan: 7:27

Yes, definitely a creature, feature Well.

Melissa: 7:31

I saw a creature feature, but it's not quite In the animal kingdom, but it was close. So we were sitting out watching the kayakers, the boaters go by and from the corner of our eye we see coming around the bend something that was a little bit different than any of the other kayakers.

Megan: 7:50

It was a creature, for sure.

Melissa: 7:52

It was. It was a man in a canoe and he had a big, huge beard that was red, white and blue.

JJ: 8:01

Yep, he dyed it.

Megan: 8:03

He dyed it red, white and blue.

Matty: 8:04

No it was natural.

Megan: 8:08

And it was quite a long beard. He has to use that beard mousse or beard, whatever they call it.

JJ: 8:14

The oil.

Megan: 8:16

If you have long beards, you've got to do stuff to it like a hair.

JJ: 8:20

I don't know if the beard was groomed.

Matty: 8:22

To be fair, I was not out there, I was taking a nap. I saw the photo. I don't think if the beard was groomed. To be fair, I was not out there, I was taking a nap. I saw the photo. I don't think grooming is the top of his list.

Megan: 8:29

I could be wrong, but it was long and red and white and blue.

Melissa: 8:31

It was, and he was just leaning back smoking a cigarette His entire hairy chest.

JJ: 8:38

Was out and about.

Melissa: 8:39

Was out and about.

JJ: 8:39

Holiday hairy.

Megan: 8:43

He was a holiday hairy. He. He was a holiday Harry. He was a holiday Harry. That was a creature feature. He chatted with us as he went by the dock. He was friendly.

Melissa: 8:50

I grabbed my phone to take a picture. I'm not even going to hide it, I just said you look great. I took a picture. I think he loved it.

JJ: 8:57

I think he smiled for the camera.

Megan: 8:59

I think he was maybe flirting with you.

Matty: 9:02

Like a real bear in the wild, in the wild, on the wild.

JJ: 9:06

those are some of the things that we enjoy being in the cabin, and not only the creature feature, but we've we, yeah, had a great time here yeah, it's just, you know, like some little little drama across the way with some what?

Matty: 9:21

a very active family oh, we won't, we'll call them the Joneses, I guess, I don't know. They can be the Joneses, the Joneses, and yeah, they've been active.

Megan: 9:32

They're across the river and down.

Melissa: 9:36

And let's just say.

Megan: 9:36

we hear a lot of ruckus from them, crying and complaining. Yeah, there's a lot of them over there Chainsaws, chainsaws. Early in the morning from them. Yeah, there's a lot of them over there, chainsaws.

JJ: 9:44

Early in the morning.

Matty: 9:45

Family threats when apparently they've run out of ice or something like that.

Megan: 9:50

Yes, exactly, there's a lot. They have lots of dogs over there, so that gets Fitz going, so they have bark-offs.

Matty: 9:58

I don't know, it seems like I'm always napping, but I again come down and I learn this tidbit from y'all and I'm like, okay, I gotta get the binocs. So I got my binocs and I've been monitoring the Joneses ever since the Joneses and the Speedo.

Melissa: 10:15

We heard crying we assumed it was a toddler having some sort of meltdown, crying, crying, and then it's kind of silent and then all of a sudden we hear I'm just gonna kill myself we couldn't even if you or someone you know struggles with depression, please call 1-800-STOP-SUICIDE.

Matty: 10:41

So we realized it wasn't a toddler.

Melissa: 10:44

It was like a 10, 12. A teenager, I think, I don't know he was furious, and then he knocked over a bench or a chair.

Megan: 10:54

A lot was happening. Something got thrown around.

Matty: 10:56

We wish he'll figure it out.

Megan: 10:59

Oh, he did the mom put him in a timeout and he came back and he was next thing we knew in the water having the time of his life.

JJ: 11:05

Those are the moments that we live for in the cabin.

Megan: 11:07

Yes.

JJ: 11:07

That and a little Codenames.

Matty: 11:10

Codenames If you haven't played this game, play it.

Melissa: 11:14

It is. It's addicting really, I think yeah.

JJ: 11:17

That's why we need more cards.

Megan: 11:18

Well, and make sure if you buy it, buy Codenames XXL, because it has the better sized cards and it comes with an organizing tray. I love to organize, but we do need new cards. We played our cards left, right and center and this was a game of the year and no new cards have been released.

Matty: 11:37

I don't understand that. Can we start a GoFundMe? No, not a GoFundMe Just like a petition, a campaign yeah, more cards, yeah, more cards. We need more cards, but yeah, so it's been fun right. Yeah, a little grill action Canoeing, canoeing, kayaking, photoshoots, darts.

Melissa: 11:57

That new dart game. I had played Darts.

Megan: 12:00

This time around.

JJ: 12:00

We didn't do much kayaking.

Megan: 12:03

We saw a canoer was coming down the river and they have lights on the canoes so they can canoe at night, and they do turn them on and off as they go. But just as we're shutting down our lights, all of a sudden, right in front of our dock, they turn their light off. And I'm like well, that's kind of freaky, Are they turning? It off because they're hopping off on the dock and coming in to order us Well, you'd already gone upstairs to bed.

Megan: 12:27

So then, immediately JJ and I are like we're not just locking the doors, we're putting the sticks in the sliders.

JJ: 12:37

Well, I can tell you and you know that I'm like always double checking everything JJ is double and triple checking the locks, because, yeah, he's a double checker. Well, that's one of the things that I even like. The first night that I came in here, megan caught me checking this slide door and she said oh, this lock is not working. Next thing, I know, when I went to my room, I just locked the door.

Megan: 12:57

Well, that's why we have a stick we put the stick in, you can't open the door.

Matty: 13:00

The truth is is if they want to get in here I mean we are in the, there's no one gonna maybe the joneses across the thing, but they might be the ones coming over here doing us some damage, are you guys? Does it make you nervous? Because there's?

Melissa: 13:13

a lot of remote.

Matty: 13:14

We're very remote and like we don't have wi-fi, like we have to go out onto the deck to get a little signal, but like we're out in the middle of nowhere. We're what, two miles off of the main road, on a dirt two-track road. And let's face it, there's a lot of real life scenarios in which shit and cabins has gone bad, and then a lot of movies about it.

JJ: 13:40

And so here we are so that's why I share my location. This might be our. This might be our last episode. No, that's why I share my location. This might be our last episode no, that's why I say, that's why I always share my location with my.

Megan: 13:49

It's been a great ride you guys, it's been a great ride. Well, there is a like not too far from here, in mayo. Michigan is a crazy. I don't know if they're still crazy, but there there were these, this Duval family, these seven brothers who, kind of like, created chaos and were criminals and actually were murderers.

Matty: 14:11

Yeah Well, not all seven of them.

Megan: 14:13

Well, okay, yeah, that's true.

Matty: 14:14

Yeah, but we can get into it a little bit.

Melissa: 14:17

Yeah.

Matty: 14:17

Do you guys know about the Duval brothers?

Melissa: 14:20

I know a little.

Matty: 14:21

It's interesting because there's a connection between Mayo and Detroit and we're kind of we're from Detroit, detroit, and then we're coming up to Mayo, so it's an interesting.

Megan: 14:32

Well, not in Mayo, but around.

Matty: 14:33

Mayo.

Melissa: 14:34

Well, yeah, we're not going to say where we're at.

JJ: 14:36

Just make it a little harder for those murderers to come find us, yeah.

Megan: 14:48

Well, let's just say when we got here, I think, the when JJ and I hit the city limits. I think the gay population doubled.

Matty: 14:53

There wasn't, there wasn't, uncle Kathy, that came through.

Megan: 15:00

Oh, and there was some guy at the canoe camp up river who was running around in a speedo.

JJ: 15:03

So maybe to add to that, you know, to add to that, the diversity increased by 1%.

Megan: 15:06

Yeah, oh yeah, exactly With our Spaniard.

JJ: 15:10

Yeah.

Matty: 15:13

Okay, let me give you guys a breakdown here. So we got these two brothers from Detroit Right, and they were David Till and Brian Oakgen, and I hopefully pronounced that correctly, and this crime dates back to 1985.

Megan: 15:35

It's an old one, but it didn't get solved for years and years.

Matty: 15:38

Yeah, it was a cold case.

JJ: 15:40

I love the cold case. Yeah, I used to watch this show called Justice and I, I, I was just I remember that show there for hours.

Matty: 15:50

I mean, it's you know there's something about it and there's so many more getting solved nowadays because of like the DNA stuff and the thing they can do with ancestrycom, which again, I would love it If someone came to me and be like you're a third cousin. Oh my God, why did you get a wrapper that I threw away?

JJ: 16:09

I mean, I think that with the cold case, like it's nice that you know they're able to do that and investigate a little bit more so that the family can have some closure. Oh for sure, Of course, sometimes people just forget them and put them out on the side. It's like, oh, we're not going to investigate more. There's a lot of funding that comes along with an investigation like that. But I do like that because we're able to give justice at some point.

Matty: 16:34

I can't imagine having that linger over a loved one, family member, that you just don't know Like someone got away with it. In any case, I'm just going to put a couple facts out there and then we'll kind of just have a conversation about it. But the killers are two of these seven brothers that Megan mentioned, and there are two—I think there were two other brothers that were implicated in cover-ups and stuff. The whole family probably knew what was going on.

Matty: 16:59

They say they were kind of a criminal enterprise Right, like you didn't fuck with the Duval's, no.

Megan: 17:04

Even the cops would not even the police didn't want anything to do with them, and let's hope we're back in Detroit before those Duvalls hear this episode.

Matty: 17:11

I know we are there is. I'm perspiring a little right now. Was that red, white and blue bearded guy a?

Megan: 17:18

Duvall. He might be a Duvall, he's not a Holiday, harry, oh he's not a holiday, harry.

Matty: 17:27

Oh, my god, are the locks, the doors locked, he's.

Megan: 17:28

They're actually he's a devil, but he's got a bum foot right. Yeah, I mean, no one's gonna be scared of him cream with them.

Matty: 17:33

Yeah, yeah, he'll be fine depends when he had was last medicated. Okay, and so the killers were ray Jr and Donald Coco.

JJ: 17:45

Those were the nicknames. Raymond goes by Junior and the other one goes by Coco. Donald goes by Coco.

Matty: 17:52

All these Deval brothers had these crazy little nicknames, the seven brothers.

Megan: 17:56

Everyone knew them by.

Matty: 17:58

There was one sister, I don't know.

Megan: 17:59

Oh, there was Good to know. I don't know Fact, check me, tracy, I could have this wrong. I'm going to get another nasty gram Please check your fact. Just for the record, there were no sisters.

JJ: 18:13

Fact check Maddie, please slippers Okay.

Matty: 18:17

And then the case went cold and ultimately one witness there were two witnesses apparently to the crime, but one of them came forward and ultimately two or one witness there were two witnesses apparently to the crime, but one of them came forward and that cracked the case. So her name was Barbara, her friend was Ronnie. Ronnie was a man but, like, let's fill in some blanks for some people.

JJ: 18:43

Wasn't Barbara the one that was in the middle of the incident.

Megan: 18:49

Let's take a backtrack.

Matty: 18:50

It's 1985.

Megan: 18:52

The two Detroit men were going on a hunting trip but they never arrived at the hunting cabin they said they were going to and instead they end up at a bar around Mayo Michigan and got very drunk. It sounds like Maybe a little obnoxious. They were hitting on girls. I think they grabbed Barbara's ass. That's what she claimed.

Matty: 19:12

Yeah, and then one of them grabbed her ass, I heard, and the other one, like when she was, it was her turn to shoot, like kind of grinded up behind her.

Megan: 19:22

They were playing pool. Yeah, she got grinded up on.

Matty: 19:25

Yeah, wow.

Melissa: 19:27

So, I think other people in the bar were noticing it and that these two guys were not regulars. And you know they probably stuck out like sore thumbs because in Mayo everybody probably knows everybody. Oh, I'm sure. So, these two yahoos come in drunk harassing the women. So the next thing you know, the Duval brothers are on the scene.

Matty: 19:48

Yeah, Because they had some connection to this, Barbara right.

Megan: 19:52

Like they just ran in the same circles, she was their neighbor or their friends or they were somehow involved with her.

Matty: 19:58

And no cell phones at this time right, well, yeah, 85, no. So, which is important, because family members were like this is weird. We haven't heard from them. We're you know? Like where are they going? They were supposed to meet a friend, but there was no way to get in touch with people. Yeah, so what happened?

Megan: 20:16

So they end up missing? Well, no, they get in a bar fight. Yeah right, yeah, there's this.

Melissa: 20:21

Yeah, there's this.

Megan: 20:27

Well yeah, Duval's get in a fight with the two Detroit men and they call the police the police were called. Let's call him a dumbass deputy. Let's call him a Barney Fife.

Melissa: 20:34

Yeah.

Megan: 20:35

Barney Fife showed up on the scene, but he didn't want to get mixed in because the police were scared of the Duval brothers.

JJ: 20:41

They were brothers. According to one article that I was actually reading. It says that the police department always when there's anything to deal with the Duval brothers, they will actually call for backup before showing up at the scene. So that is like.

Matty: 20:55

I mean, does Mile have a huge police force for backup? Well, probably not.

Megan: 20:59

There's probably one lone guy, barney's the only one on the scene and he just watched beat these guys up in the parking lot apparently.

Melissa: 21:08

Then they thought it kind of was broken up and everybody was going their separate ways. It kind of dies down.

Matty: 21:15

There is other information out there and I don't know what you guys know about this or whatever, but they also speculated that they could have somehow.

Megan: 21:23

So I don't know how this, this kind of, conflicts with this fight thing, but like tried to lure them into coming with them or something for marijuana, you're right they, because I think the devolves allegedly yeah, I don't know were maybe running drugs through, like northern michigan or something they also were like known to run, like take stolen cars and break them up for parts, so they were like totally had this criminal enterprise and they had a habit of silencing their victims regarding of anything.

Megan: 21:58

So yeah, I read something too, like it is like there was some fight, but but then maybe they also said, hey, come get drugs or something.

Matty: 22:05

Yeah, like sorry, man, I don't know. Like yeah, we're messing with our friend. Like it's all good, You're good. Like why don't you come back to wherever and smoke some weed with us? I mean some of this is speculation and they don't really know how they got from point A to point B.

Megan: 22:21

Yes, there's the bronco story popping out. Does anyone want to? Yeah, well, so I think maybe at some point barbara says, yeah, she sees like either she's at the devol house or she lives next door or whatever. She's in the woods and can see the two devol brothers, who end up getting convicted of this crime, beating these two guys who were harassing her at the bar and like with baseball bats and like actually saw, like the skull getting crushed and brains coming out or whatever.

Matty: 22:55

So anyway one of them got away and then they got him again.

Megan: 22:59

Yeah, and then the whole thing with the Bronco is at some point in that night.

JJ: 23:07

This same police that was called this.

Megan: 23:09

Barney Fife. He saw this black Bronco which is what one of the Detroit boys drove that. He saw it kind of pulling up from the ditch on M72. Which is this main road that drives from like coast to coast in northern michigan and he didn't pull it over, even though it looked a little suspicious. He assumed it was a drunk driver because he was getting off soon and didn't want the hassle he didn't want to do the paperwork.

Megan: 23:35

Yeah, no paperwork so that could have changed so these detroit guys were never seen from again and barbara never spoke out. The police couldn't get anyone to speak out because they knew the deval brothers were involved and no one wanted to get in the mix, which is why we're a little nervous talking about it right now, just to speak, just to speak to like, to the volume of like, the, the, the level that this brothers like are known for for their criminal history and things like that.

JJ: 24:06

There was even a notice of a barbecue story. They ran out of meat Because they had pigs and this is a very important thing. They raised pigs. There was about 13 pigs, I would say, and those pigs they would keep in on a school bus. Was it a school bus or like a big?

Matty: 24:21

bus. There was a piece that they put 13 pigs on a bus.

JJ: 24:24

Yeah, oh, my God.

Melissa: 24:27

I heard nothing of that. We went deep, allegedly.

JJ: 24:30

that is what happened, they ran out of meat at their family barbecue. The next thing they know. Maddie, do you remember what happened?

Matty: 24:40

Well, yeah, a few of the Duval brothers got in their truck, took these chainsaws much like our neighbors and went out and went to a farm where they saw a cow and they shot the cow point blank in the head and killed it, and then took a chainsaw, caught up the cow and brought it back to the barbecue and they just ate it.

Megan: 25:05

They grilled the meat at the barbecue. It was like the neighbor's cow. You didn't do your pre-read.

Melissa: 25:12

I must have skimmed over that it's disgusting.

JJ: 25:15

I just want to brought that, because it's always it's good to know what level of like this is.

Megan: 25:22

We probably should never have discussed this, but anyway, that's supposedly after this. Barbara saw these two Detroit guys that were hitting on her in the bar getting beaten up in the woods. She never saw him again and the Duval brothers would kind of like joke around that they were. They put those two guys from Detroit in the wood chipper and fed them to their pigs. Well, pigs and they said pigs gotta eat.

Matty: 25:50

They were like pigs gotta eat is what they were threatening Barbara like Listen, pigs gotta eat too.

Megan: 25:55

Whenever they saw her, they'd say that to her.

Matty: 25:57

So this is part of the big cold case really is like these two guys never been found they're a bronco never been found. They had guns, clothes, nothing, everything missing. And I don't even think it's yeah, I think it's the truth that they, I think there's evidence or something that they, according to Barbara, that they were indeed put through a chipper and fed to the pigs, and then two of the brothers, as as we mentioned earlier, were like notorious scrappers and so they must have, piece by piece, dissembled the bronco and probably sold its parts and and what have you.

Melissa: 26:34

And so, yeah, and I think the reason it was a cold case and took from 1985 to 2003 is because these duval brothers and the family would continue to harass these women and the witnesses and would come around every few months or every couple of years and would say pigs got to eat and you need to not Pigs had to eat.

JJ: 26:58

And I think that those two brothers, which were the two eldest brothers of the seven, they were actually talked to the friends and family about the killing Like nothing, actually talk to the friends and family about the killing.

Matty: 27:07

Like nothing happened. So how do you guys feel about this little stick that sits in the slider? Do you still feel like that's going to keep us safe? Is that?

Megan: 27:15

going to keep us safe. No, if the Duvalls are coming, we're F 100%. But the two that did the murders, they were convicted in 2003, which with no real hard evidence, so they're gone, they're in jail. They're still in jail. So hopefully the rest of the Duval family that's the thing well, I think maybe they've become upstanding citizens you do, I would say no.

Melissa: 27:43

Read the article, the article did say if you got in a tussle with one of the Duval brothers in the morning. By that night you're going to be in a tussle with all seven brothers.

Megan: 27:56

Well, let's hope we don't have the nephews, nieces and cousins coming for us tonight.

JJ: 28:01

Yeah, thank God this episode is going to be here. I think it's time we're done here. We need to talk about a more current murder.

Matty: 28:06

And whatever.

Melissa: 28:07

Yeah well, yeah, why not? Yeah Well, here's another, put our lives in more jeopardy.

Megan: 28:11

This is another murder where it just got solved Well or a plea deal was made. I'm sure everyone knows the Idaho murders. Brian Koberger just got a plea deal and pled guilty right before the holiday weekend to killing the four Idaho students.

JJ: 28:29

Well, I do say, I do think I don't know much about this, but one thing that I think that we collectively, as a group, need to honor and speak the names of the victims, not just a killer. So we speak your names Kaylee Gonclaves, ethan Chapin, zaina Kernoodle and Madison Mogan.

Megan: 28:51

Yes, those are the four Idaho students who were killed and for those of you who haven't followed the case which I can't believe you haven't heard any facts about it. There is a Peacock documentary out now and an Amazon four-part series that is also out now. It was written by James Patterson, who also has a new book on the murders that was just released.

Melissa: 29:16

And this is kind of a James Patterson the novelist.

Megan: 29:18

Yes, that's interesting, oh he wrote a book all about these murders, and then he was one of the writers and, I'm assuming, producers of this amazon series that is also out now I might watch that then, because I you should.

JJ: 29:31

I've I've heard this story by like with you and maddie, because you're constantly talking about it.

Matty: 29:38

Um, I'm not a big like you're a cold case, I'm more of a cold case. So thank you for the cold case fan. I'm more of a cold case fan. That's still true crime. Yeah, it is still true crime. If this would have went unsolved for 10 years, you'd be all over it.

Megan: 29:50

Yeah, 100% Well nowadays with the DNA evidence that we can do, which they didn't have back in 1985, is a lot of ways these cases are getting solved and in part this case was also solved by touch DNA.

JJ: 30:04

But before we go into that, let me give you some of the kind of compelling facts that drew me in and then anyone can go get more, tell me, because I wouldn't, I wouldn't know yeah so this happened november 13th 2022 at a prox.

Megan: 30:17

Yes, very recent oh very recent, at approximately 4, 19 am. Okay, there are four, no one, two, three I'm not going with math five girls five girls living together, living together in idaho incurring college and they're all home.

Megan: 30:45

one of them, zaina, also has her boyfriend there, et Ethan. So all four girls are home and Zaina had just ordered DoorDash and let's back up 10 minutes. So it's like a little after 4 am. One of the roommates, dylan, hears all this ruckus upstairs, but her roommates, maddie and Kaylee, were upstairs with with I think it's kaylee's dog, murphy, and so she thought, oh, they're just playing with the dog and she's just, you know, in bed. Who knows doing social stuff? I'm not sure. And so she doesn't think anything about it. And then she keeps hearing noises and so at 4 19 am she opens her door and peeks out in the hallway and sees this man dressed in all black with bushy eyebrows run by here and go out the slider.

Megan: 31:38

Now, this house they're living in was known as kind of like a party house, so there's always maybe lots of people coming and going. I don't know, but she still thought it was weird. But she shut her door and went back in her room and then immediately text all the roommates. Well, none of them are responding, except one other roommate. So the other roommates like well, just come down to my room. So she runs out her door and goes down to the other roommates room on the lower floor. They keep texting, not getting responses. I'm assuming it's like you know, four, 30 in the morning. They probably just sort of fall asleep or pass out. Well then, 4.20 am, brian Koberger's car is seen racing away from this Idaho house in the neighborhood on ring cameras and it's clocked in multiple places, driving away so fast forward to like around 9, 30, 10 am. Dylan and the other roommate wake up again. No one has responded from their text of last night, like we heard, all this noise, what's happening?

Megan: 32:40

they're kind of freaked out. They don't want to leave their room. So they call their friend hunter, who's also friends with the roommates, and hunter comes over and they tell him what happened. And so he's like I'm calling. He starts walking through the house and then says we're calling nine one one. He calls nine one one, goes in the room, sees Zaina dead on the floor, ethan dead on the bed and you know the nine one one. Operators like can you check for a pull? Like what he's like no, they're dead. So they all run out, basically, and the police show up. Everything that's done. Well, at 9.30 am, brian Koberger posts a really creepy selfie of himself in the bathroom on his social medias with a thumbs up. It's like the creepiest photo you've ever seen.

JJ: 33:24

I just got some chills. Well, he is creepy.

Megan: 33:29

And so some of the crazy facts in this case is this Brian Koberger, who is now pled guilty to doing this crime.

JJ: 33:37

He pled guilty? Yeah, he pled guilty.

Megan: 33:40

He bought a gun or I mean not a gun, sorry a knife on Amazon that came in like a sheath. It was a particular knife. The sheath to this knife, um, was found under maddie or kaylee uh, when the police were picking up evidence at the scene and that sheath had some touch dna on it. So they collected dna from the sheath and when they ran it through the system and then went to brian koberger's family's house and got something that had his father's DNA on it that they were able to test, it came out that the killer or whoever's DNA was on that knife sheath their father was the person who lived at that home, so that's how they like connected him to the crime Can we can.

Matty: 34:24

I just jump in real quick to say, missy, and I had a conversation, melissa, sorry, melissa and I had a conversation earlier today and it's as you talk about this and I'm watching how jj reacts to it and like in, you know, like shock and surprise me, and I think you and I had talked about it too you like you had a girl dinner that you went out and like no one's like what are you talking about?

Matty: 34:52

and so, like our conversation, melissa and I were like how can you not really like it was everywhere? But I think what's really interesting is that how people consume their news these days and some people do not like that's not in their scrolls, or they don't tune into NBC nightly news or whatever it is.

Melissa: 35:12

It's like aging us, because I do watch the nightly news every night and I've had people tease me like is this the 1950s? Like you're sitting down and watching the evening news.

Matty: 35:22

I'm like, but it's how you can trust it too, like you don't know what's in your feed.

Melissa: 35:26

So if you don't do that, and with streaming services and if you don't have cable or whatever, like it's just a different I think, in your case yeah I don't know, I think I get what your point is, I gotta say.

Matty: 35:38

I mean, I'm younger than you three but, um, but I think we're gonna have to edit.

JJ: 35:45

No, I'm just saying that I think and we have to go into that I think that we know that we are living in a very heavy world that is heavy of many things happening, and I think it's a chosen moment for me to just see what I want and what I do not want to watch.

Matty: 36:01

What you tune into and tune out, because you can only handle so much Not you, but just people in general.

JJ: 36:06

When I see true crimes and things along those lines, think that that the point has been proven. In my case it's like I try to avoid it and it's just because I do watch the news. I just want to.

Megan: 36:16

I'm more selective yeah, fair, yeah, but I, I'm, I'm shocked well, it's crazy, this story. Well, and let me tell you, I got a few of these clues of like oh, this is kind of weird and interesting. This girl orders doordash and, like minutes later, is arguably killed.

Megan: 36:31

So I was getting into some that's gonna make me think twice yeah, exactly, I was getting into these facebook groups that were all talking about the crime and the different facts and information and what was really creepy is this one guy in one of the facebook groups. He was named papa rogers. You're going in there, I have to. He would be on this facebook group asking questions about people about the murders, like oh, do you think it's sexually motivated? And somebody would say yes, and he'd be like correct, ding, ding, ding, you've got it right. And he'd ask questions and he started commenting about, I think something was left behind by the killer before the police even talked about the knife sheath. So it was so creepy. All of these like Papa Rogers comments and stuff in this Facebook group all stopped at the moment Brian Koberger was arrested and the Facebook profile picture for Papa Rogers looks eerily similar to Brian Koberger. It's same bushy eyebrows, everything.

Megan: 37:31

So people, everyone has hypothesized that papa rogers was really the killer.

Matty: 37:36

So that was like something that drew me in I think one key takeaway is just trim your eyebrows well, he did so when he went, because they're a very identifiable pop maddie, now that you say it.

Megan: 37:47

he showed up at the hearing for his plea deal, where he pled guilty and they were groomed. They are almost shaved off.

JJ: 37:55

And every other time before they were so bushy he didn't go to my girl.

Megan: 37:58

That does my eyebrows he was purposely trying to look like he didn't do it, but everyone knows he does. But enough of that Watch the read the book.

JJ: 38:07

I will watch it for sure.

Megan: 38:08

Watch the Peacock or Amazon documentary. Read the book. I will watch it for sure. Watch the Peacock or Amazon documentary. I think it's time to get off murder.

JJ: 38:14

Yeah, I don't know if I'm going to be able to sleep tonight Did we put too much out into the universe.

Megan: 38:18

Now I'm like, oh shit, I'm going to have to have an accident. It could be a dicey night for us.

Matty: 38:24

It could be a dicey dicey night.

JJ: 38:25

I'm going to make sure I'm locking every single door.

Matty: 38:28

Oh, wow, Okay. So, speaking of the wild and the bears, we've talked Bears are up in this area no, oh yeah, there's bears around. Oh, real quick side story. I don't want to have a lot of time, but I'm going to wrap it up real quick.

JJ: 38:40

We don't.

Matty: 38:40

There is another story I saw from Michigan of a guy that took a selfie of himself. He was from here, 50 feet away from a bear, and he's doing a selfie, and then the the headline of the article says individual capture selfie two minutes before bear mauls him to death.

Megan: 38:59

So just just you know again people trying to get.

Matty: 39:05

Yeah, like you're falling in volcanoes and off cliffs, just stop.

Megan: 39:09

Yeah, the bear was in mich, we're in bears, yeah, yeah.

Matty: 39:11

So here, polar bear, iceland, polar bear. Okay, I got to get my phone here. I got to read some stuff for you guys, so this is one of my favorite products. I brought one for each of you. Yes, when you got here. I loved it. It is called. The company is called the Same.

Melissa: 39:29

So we're doing product review right now. Is that what's happening? Yeah, oh, yeah, right, it's a product. This is a transition. I know I'm following along. This is new for me.

Matty: 39:37

See how I linked, like the bear selfie killing to now bear products.

Megan: 39:42

It's just, it's marketing Well and it's a bear product because it is the bottle looks like a little polar bear, little polar bear yes, it's cool.

Matty: 39:53

Well, it's just the fault. Well, I just want people to know what we are getting there.

Melissa: 39:55

I'm getting there, sorry get to it.

Matty: 39:57

Yeah, I'm being like get to it, get into it. Okay, you know, I mean, people love us. They want us to stretch it out.

JJ: 40:05

No, no, go for it. Yeah, get to the point. All right, well stop distracting me.

Matty: 40:10

All right, so it's called the same, but it's S-A-E-M Korean company. The product itself it says Iceland Hydrating Eye Stick and I love to look at top lists Like not top lists, top lists. So in my Google scroll a lot of times of times like top 10 products, this top 10 gadgets, that and this eye stick would show up a lot of times as like something you must have. So I ordered it once. I actually I liked it, like I'm not I'm not afraid to admit that I love a good moisturizer, like keeping it, you know, keeping the skin healthy and young and all that stuff. So I tried it. I loved it.

Matty: 40:54

I've reordered it twice and then I ordered it uh, I put it as part of a gift for jj and then I brought it up here for other people and here's a little bit about the product and then I'll get you guys's reactions to what you think, since you've been using it since we got here. It is again south korean skincare brand known for natural ingredients and playful packaging, as megan pointed out the polar bear there's focus on hydration, soothing and beauty innovation.

Matty: 41:24

The key ingredients are iceland glacier water. I love it when they just promote the water from the country. It just makes it seem well and I think there is a bottled water. I love it when they just promote the water from the country.

Megan: 41:31

It just makes it seem well, and I think there is a bottled water I forget what brand that is from iceland, and it's very yummy. It's iceland, oh.

Melissa: 41:37

It's icelandic, yeah, I love it I buy it a lot whenever I see it and I'm buying water.

Megan: 41:42

I buy icelandic. That's an example of squirrel where she just goes off okay, all right.

Matty: 41:48

Iceland glacier water. Hydrolyzed collagen which plumps and smooths hydro hyaluronic acid which is what you want in all your skin care it's ultra moisturizing and then two more things I can't pronounce. Okay, exactly two more things I cannot pronounce, but good for you. I'm gonna say well, and this is best for a quick under-eye refresh, morning puffiness, on-the-go touch-ups and people who love a skincare novelty.

JJ: 42:20

It is part of my morning routine.

Matty: 42:22

There's my setup. Talk to me people.

JJ: 42:24

We have a few minutes only.

Megan: 42:26

Well, I don't think it's a novelty, I will say I used it. But well, I don't think it's a novelty, I will say I used it. I typically every morning use a roller ball and I used this eye cream and I loved it. It immediately kind of made any puffiness.

Megan: 42:40

I have go away and it was so smooth and hydrating and it felt good going on, where sometimes that roller ball kind of feels like it hurts me a little bit, and this I actually think did better than my rollerball. So right now I think I'm loving it and I think I'm going to start using it on a daily basis.

JJ: 42:59

What about you, Melissa?

Melissa: 43:01

I love the smell.

JJ: 43:02

Yeah, the smell is very good.

Melissa: 43:03

The smell is great and it feels good. It does feel good going on. It's really light, it's cooling. I have going on. It's really light, it's cooling. Um, I have never used anything like that before, and I don't really use moisturizers. You might want to start. Are you kidding me? Wow, you should have led with this feels like I don't. You don't know anything. I know nothing about it.

Matty: 43:28

I was shocked when our friend brian air, I think, admitted to not using any. But like really the female no.

Melissa: 43:37

Sorry Okay, but it smells good and it's in a cute little tube, yeah.

JJ: 43:41

And part two. I don't know if Matty has this in store for a future episode, but there is a night version of it that I also use. That it's part of the same product and it's it's so great well, I think holiday harry should try it.

Matty: 43:58

Holiday harry should try it I loved it.

Megan: 43:59

I think it's great and it I have nothing more higher accolades I can give. I recommend it. Try it out.

Matty: 44:06

Let us know what you think we'd love your feedback comments, all the things. Well, and now, with that, I think we're ready for some slip it ins. Try it out, let us know what you think We'd love your feedback comments, all the things.

Megan: 44:11

Well, and now, with that, I think we're ready for some slip-it-ins and pull-it-outs. And let me tell you, a few episodes ago, maddie and I were in the store and I talked about how we saw all these crazy different foods from other countries, and on the banner it talked about Skittles Giants. I've been searching for them, I've been searching for them, I haven't found them. And out of the blue, maddie gave me a gift.

Matty: 44:38

And it was.

Megan: 44:39

Skittles, giants, oh my God it was amazing.

Melissa: 44:43

I had thought Megan scratched off a million dollar lottery ticket. When she saw those skits it was amazing.

Matty: 44:53

I gave her a few different things, but when she saw those skits I gave her a maze. Yeah, I gave her like a few different things, but when she saw those it was like a five-year-old just went oh my god, I got a barbie.

Megan: 44:59

It was heaven I loved it. Yeah, we tried them. They were amazing, like and I like a skittle, but I wouldn't say like, oh, they're my favorite snack, I buy them. I rarely buy them, but those skittles giants, like, if they were continually at the checkout stand I'd be buying them all the time I love them, love them, love them can I ask a question about your slip it in?

Melissa: 45:20

we went to savannah a few weeks ago. Is that what you were looking for in that candy? No, those were skittles pop, which all exists, freeze, dried. But everyone skittles, they're freeze dried skittles.

Megan: 45:32

But skittles makes its own version of their own freeze dried skittles. They're called skittles pop good throwback and I'm not a fan of a freeze dried skittle. I'm not a fan it's a pull it out for me and my other pull it out is is mosquitoes. I thought I was good. I thought.

Melissa: 45:49

I wasn't getting bit.

Megan: 45:50

I thought I wasn't getting bit, but now today I look and I've got all these red dots on my legs. That's my. Pull it out those damn mosquitoes.

Matty: 45:58

They get you every time.

Megan: 46:01

I wasn't feeling the bites but I see them today.

Matty: 46:05

Put some hydrating polar bear on it.

Megan: 46:08

I might get my polar bear out.

Matty: 46:10

I bet it will work on a bite uh, I'm.

Megan: 46:12

I want to save it for my eyes.

Matty: 46:14

Okay, who do you want? Let's you want to go?

Melissa: 46:16

sure, I'll go, melissa yeah, um, so my slip it in is napping apparently it's mine as well, and I feel like the last several months, and especially this weekend, yeah, like a nap in the afternoon when I get home from work, just like a 20 minute nap, or on the weekend. I look forward to it and like I kind of plan my day around napping and it just makes me feel good one thing that I miss from my culture.

JJ: 46:51

We have the siesta time. Oh yeah, obviously. Here in the United States you don't have that.

Matty: 46:57

It's very healthy for you.

JJ: 46:59

In Spain they close shops.

Matty: 47:01

I'm aware we could do a whole episode about napping, because I've got a lot to say and we don't have a lot of time. I'm not a napper.

JJ: 47:09

Well then, we'll record without you, it's Melissa, slip it in.

Melissa: 47:14

Okay, that was my slip it in. My pull it out is four-way stops when the person who gets there before you has the gall to sit there and wave you through Like they're doing you a favor or they're trying to manage the intersection it's the worst. It's like I know how to fucking drive and I know how four-way stops work don't wave me through on my right and we go at the same time, like I know like.

JJ: 47:44

Who are you to tell me that I need to have the right to go in? No, but I feel like it's just.

Melissa: 47:52

It just gets under my skin and I will sit there and I will not go.

Megan: 47:56

You don't, you don't wave me through no. Oh, I love that. Take a stand and I get a little wave back and a smile and I go on my way.

Matty: 48:03

How do you feel about people blinking and using their blinker?

Melissa: 48:06

I don't need you to be behind me.

Matty: 48:07

Okay.

JJ: 48:13

I just liked it, yeah, so that was mine, oh wow I understand it, but I love it.

Megan: 48:14

I'm like, oh, okay, because I'm like you're probably gonna be a slow ass. I'd rather be in front of you and go on my way.

Matty: 48:18

No, yeah all right, I'll go next my slip it in. If you recall, last slip it in, megan's slip it in was jelly bellies oh yes, I love them I have become a fan of megan's fandom for jelly bellies because what I have, hold on, because what I have, what I need to talk about, what I have learned on this trip, is there ain't a jelly belly in the bowl. She can't pre-name if you pull, yes, if you pull it out and you're like, oh, pull it out like what's this?

Megan: 48:54

she'll be like toasted coconut. And you try it, and it's toasted coconut well, I'm a lifetime jelly belly consumer and I've gone to the jelly belly factory out in california.

Matty: 49:06

Okay, well, all right. Well, I nailed it then I've enjoyed the jelly. I mean, I didn't know whether to slip it in or pull it out with her. But I'm like you know what, if she can name every jelly belly in that book, then I'm going to give her.

Megan: 49:18

Well, jj said he doesn't like jelly beans and I agree that jelly bellies aren't really a jelly bean but they're kind of a type they're very specific.

Melissa: 49:32

But they're very specific. But jj is a jelly belly lover, like he is my partner in jelly belly the two of these guys eating those jelly bellies last night when we were trying to play games it was just constant.

Matty: 49:38

Wow, you put it. You put the kibosh on it when you who? Doesn't want a little root beer float when you shoved like fresh cut grass jelly bellies in the bowl yeah, the harry potter, but beans and I was so sick of them disrupting the game, I dumped the 30-butt beans right outside JJ wants us to wrap up so badly.

Matty: 49:55

We're over on time. We have a guest. Okay, I know I have a pull-it-out. I pull-it-out since we had this whole theme around murder and death and I've said this from the get-go is if you have a significant other or a partner and that partner asks you to go on a hike, oh my God, don't go. And you have never. I mean, if you're hikers, that's one thing. If you have never hiked before with said partner and they're like let's go on a hike, and then they start to say why don't you stand over there and I'll get a photo of you? No, don't go, you are in danger, girl, you are in danger. So pull it out on unexpected hiking requests, you will become your own cold case.

JJ: 50:47

It'll be a dateline for you, the more you know.

Matty: 50:49

Yeah, education pod, we know yeah education pod.

JJ: 50:51

We're an education pod my slip it in is um, you know, my neighbor introduced me to an auberon light beer. I'm I usually I'm more of a seltzer fan, but he said, if this is the beer of the summer, so I brought them for the cabin and they've been refreshing and I love them. Um, it's, it's really not. I would usually don't go with the auberons because they can be a little heavy, because, and they've been refreshing and I love them, it's really not.

Melissa: 51:18

I usually don't go with the aubergines because they can be a little heavy, because of the citrus component of that beer, but this auberginelite has changed my point of view. Oh, I love aubergines. Yeah, I love them, but it's an auberginelite, so I just slip it in for me, do you?

JJ: 51:30

put an orange in it.

Megan: 51:33

Are you supposed to put oranges in it? I don't you are supposed to put orange in it. It's kind of a beer with a snack if you come in with an orange, and I love that snack.

Matty: 51:35

She said that so seductive, she was so seductive.

JJ: 51:39

I kind of feel like I have to cover myself after that on my plate.

Megan: 51:43

I love a little orange slice.

Matty: 51:44

Oh, and I love A orange slide A snack.

Megan: 51:49

What's your pull-out? My?

JJ: 51:50

pull-out is on Mondays. Oh well, we've got a Monday coming up. I'm not looking forward to that. Especially after a long weekend, a long weekend, a holiday, a vacation. I'm not looking forward to Monday.

Matty: 52:02

Hopefully we survive the night. Well, yeah, hopefully you make it to Monday. I hope we survive. That's the question.

Megan: 52:07

And if we do survive, we want to hear from you. So send us your questions and comments to slipitinpodcast at gmailcom. You can slip into our DMs on Instagram, Facebook and TikTok at slipitinpodcast. Remember, when you reach out, please, please leave your name and where you are from so we can make sure to reference your comments. And until with that, till next time, Till next time, bye, bye, thanks, missy.

JJ: 52:40

Melissa.