Cold Open On Cringe Choices

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Slip it in the cobble that has you upset. We're talking pop culture, bad choices. Obviously, things that should stay in the group chat.

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But they don't feel cringe. Oh my god, they really just always got a chance.

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And how we slip it in.

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Every single last two cringe guilty magic and like a drug text and that's doing it.

Meet Dr. Stephen Paul Edwards

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Welcome, welcome, welcome, everyone. We are back, slipping it in with you. I'm Megan, and I'm here with Maddie and JJ. And today we have a very special guest. We are joined by Dr. Stephen Paul Edwards. Steven has a PhD in spiritual counseling. He is a speaker, spiritual counselor, and relationship expert who explores why we find ourselves in toxic relationships, how emotional manipulation works, and what it really takes to break unhealthy patterns. His own life experiences inspired his book, The Venus Fly Trap: Sex Lies and Repercussions. And today we're going to dive into dating, red flags, heartbreak, healing, and maybe even call ourselves out a little bit. So, Steven, welcome to Slip It In.

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Yeah, welcome. Well, thank you guys. I'm really, really excited to be here. Especially because I know all the things you just talked about really well. So I'm on I'm on safe ground here. I have made the worst choices anybody could ever make, but at least I've learned a little bit from it. So I hope that's that's gonna just uh you know give me some credibility.

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Yes, absolutely. Well, before we get into it, we need to know. We ask all our guests, yeah, what are your favorite nuts?

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Uh well, I I'm gonna say I'm my favorite nut. Wow, you're our first guest to say that.

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Yes, first time, yes.

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Just yeah, just popped in there. Just popped in there. All right. Well, I I do, you know, I listened to Molly sharing hers. I said that to you earlier. I do love cashews. Oh, yes. And I do like peanuts, especially in uh what's that thing when you mix all the things together, a bit of chocolate, you know, a little bit of a tremble mix.

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No, or bridge mix.

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Or bridge mix. Bridge mix. Yes. Oh, bridge mix, yeah, yeah, yeah. Until I realized how many calories in those things, and I was quite excited for it. Anyway, uh, so another and I make one difference, and that is Brazil nuts.

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I do like not a real popular nut, if I'm being honest with you.

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So, like you are a Brazil nuts. I thought you mean me.

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Um, also I just uh before we get into it more, I just want you to know that I here's the book. If people for those that are um watching the video, and I also have some tissue here for today's podcast, you baby.

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And that's one of the funniest parts of the book. Yeah, we love it.

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This is just a little teaser, a tissue teaser. Yeah.

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Well, and also I'll take this moment to add that Steven's second book, The Venus Fly Trap, Enough Is Never Enough, is also just out now.

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Yeah. So yes. We're gonna get into book one today a little bit.

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Absolutely.

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So tell us about this book of yours.

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What would you like me to tell? You want me to set it up how it how all this came about? Or what do you mean when you say tell me about the book? Well, you know, like you're you're you want to tell you a story? You want to tell you a story? How it came up?

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Well, it's I mean, we know it's based on your post, man.

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I don't want to step on your own, please.

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We know it's based on your own experiences with a woman you met who I believe is an ex-supermodel who also supposedly was an heiress. Tomaz is her name. Am I pronouncing that right?

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Yes, very good.

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And I mean, we were kind of riveted about how you met her, the first date, your experiences, and we've got lots of questions. But I know this relationship that you write about in your book kind of took you on this emotional journey, let's say.

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That's a very nice way to put it.

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Okay.

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Um, you know, and I say throughout the book, it was madness and mayhem, but it was also amazing. You know, I mean, uh I had a good time, right? I mean, it was hard not to have a good time with a form of the supermodel. Um, uh Manchu with a sex crew. I mean, I think that's it, I'm worse out, right? So I was like, how the fuck did you screw that up, man? Well, it wasn't that hard, right? I had that one, right, to be fair. But just to set it up a little bit, a lot of people ask me, how did you guys meet and how where's the name to be in the twitragon, right? Well, you know, if

Meeting Tomaz Online After Divorce

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you've read the book and stuff, like if you have, you know that, but for the audience might know. I um I was just going through my fourth divorce.

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Oh, okay.

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And that was I didn't misspeak there, that was my fourth divorce, right? So uh anybody wants to know about getting married or not married, I'm also an expert in that area as well. Yes. Um so I was going through trauma again, right? Which also leads into what I talk about in relationships and life. We create patterns usually when we're children, and if we don't resolve those patterns, we're just gonna keep repeating them over and over again, point in case of marriage. But nobody gets married, I don't believe they get divorced, right? And that's correct, correct. Every time I think it's gonna be the last. So I'm now not getting married again until that's what was the last, that's for sure.

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Oh, really? So you're done with God, no more marriage.

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Oh, look at that, Megan's right on that, right? So you think it's a woman's fault? Absolutely not. It's a hundred percent my fault. In fact, I tell people I know one thing for sure. I'm unmarriageable.

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Oh, really? So do you think that some men just can't be marriage? Material and manage.

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I don't know.

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I mean, I've been I think you might need to get married a fifth. I think from my perspective now. Um maybe a fifth marriage will get another book out of it. Yeah, great idea. Yeah, I mean keep the series going.

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I'm a serial marriage guy.

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So tell me, I've I'm never gonna get through the story, but that's okay.

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Go ahead.

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Why? Tell me more. Okay, so I have a question. So, like this Tomas comes across as a like very beautiful, very mysterious, but also very dangerous, kind of. And there's an attraction I think that we all have. Yeah. What do you think it is that makes us feel when we have that experience in our life? Because I think we can all relate to it, that says, Yep, that person's for me. I'm gonna pursue that. When we know, kind of like this might take me down a dangerous path. Which makes it more exciting, right?

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Yeah, I mean the stakes are high, the stakes are so high, right? And you know, again, pattern from childhood, I'm a risk taker. Okay, I'm gonna go for it, you know. I'm I'm the guy that's gonna take everybody skydive in, jump it off a bridge, or do something like that. You're like, oh okay. So yeah, so this isn't the book, it's a serious mental illness, and I still do, but anyway, yeah, so so her recognizing that I did right at the beginning that she was dangerous. I'd love to say, can I tell you why I knew she was dangerous? Yeah, absolutely. So we met online, which is uh a bad sign. But anyway, we met online, and I mean I saw this incredibly beautiful woman, all the pictures, you know, she's a equestrian show jumper, she's lived in Brazil, she's lived in Paris, she's lived in Miami, and I'm going, I got no chance here, right? What's the biggest point, right? But I kept going back to her photographs. So in the end, I took myself into it. I go, what do I got to lose? You know, she's never gonna meet me, right? I may I may as well give it a shot. Right. Even though that was super scary, right? Even though that was the case. So I sent her I sent her an email or whatever on the website. I didn't hear from her for three days, right? And then she sent me like three lines, three lines something.

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I don't know what it was.

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Because I'm a guy and I'm going, she likes me. Nothing in those three lines did any such thing, but I was now hopeful. Anyway, the bottom line is I got her to agree to go on a date with me. Well, well, that's not exactly true. She said she would go for a coffee with me, right?

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Which is not really a no, coffee is never a good first date. It's always a no.

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It was so pathetic, but that's where I was at, right?

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Well, you gotta take what you get.

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Exactly. And you know what? She canceled the next day. Oh, yeah. I'm like, what a what a loser. Anyway, so I'm not one to give up easily. Now she's a challenge, right? So I finally get her to go on a date with me. And I'm going full on with that date. Okay. Oh, yeah. Yes.

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We've read a lot to unpack here on this date.

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I thought it sounded like an amazing first date.

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I was amazing. It totally was. I was totally in love, right? I was in love when I saw it. But anyway, I got it to go on the second date. Not the second date, a date, a dinner date. Thank you, Megan. I really took it up a level, right?

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Yes, 100% you did.

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So and I'm going, I gotta tie this down. And then maybe I can tie her down. But anyway, I said, I'm gonna tie it down.

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Now we're getting to it.

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All right, all right. Anyway, so I'm thinking, what can I do to tie it down, right? So I go, I'll buy a flower, right? Easy, right? So I'm texting her backwards and forwards on the sending got this amazing evening setup. I didn't tell her what we were gonna do, but I thought it was gonna be amazing. And I said, uh, by the way,

The Venus Flytrap Red Flag Moment

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what's your favorite flower? She takes it back to the bird of paradise. Yeah. So you don't know this about me, but I like to joke around, right? So anyway, so I said to her, I go, nah, mine too. Then I go, it's a bit expensive though. What's your second favorite? She came back like I kid you not, guys, within seconds, Venus flytrap.

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Oh, she was on to you.

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Yeah, and you didn't know. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I in your book, you didn't immediately know what a Venus flytrap was.

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No, but I know it, I know it sounded ominous. Oh yeah. So I mean, whoa, that sounds intense right there, right? That's a red flag, no? But you're right, you're right, manny. Yeah, I didn't know what it was. So but I got that intuition, right? Uh-huh. That's a red flag. Even though you don't know what it is. Yeah. But here's the thing, here's what's funny about it that I thought about later. Who would ask a woman, what is your second favorite flower? Right. Why and it revealed her to me, right? On the one, on the one hand, she's this beautiful bird of paradise. Yeah. But underneath, she was the Venus Fly trend.

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Yeah. Man eater.

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Yeah, I like that. Man eater, right? Like the song, right? Yes.

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I also love the symbolism between like the Venus, like you said, the bird of paradise is like very exotic, very exuberant type of flower. But yet the second option is uh the Venus fly trap, which is the danger side of things. And I think that that symbolism of like exotic, sexy, and like uh mysterious type of thing to just go into like if you want to go to the second one, go into the danger zone. Like you come come to the danger zone with me. So I kind of like that that just a position of like the two things between the bird of paradise and uh Venus uh flytrack.

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Well, and I don't think we'd be here today if it was daisies and roses, right?

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Like I would be, I would be, but I would be a lot less healed. But you're you're right, JJ, 100%. And it's a great metaphor for the book, yes, very much so. And it's also a great metaphor for life. Oh, yeah. Because actually, our culture is a Venus flytrap. Oh, that's so great. Yeah, with the nectar of the material world, right? Yes, and then we get in there and become we become disorientated and then we can't get out. Absolutely.

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So, how how long after that first day did you go before you got to tire down?

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Well, that's very like personal.

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Well, we gotta go there, no? Yeah, no, it's fine. Yeah, no, we can go there. Uh, I would say she would have gone for the first night, I think.

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Wow, really?

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Um I was trying to be a gentleman for one night.

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That's good.

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Anyway, so it was about probably two weeks. Two weeks. Okay. And this was in the I mean, it wasn't like I had to persuade her. I mean, she liked she liked that stuff, right? She's into all that stuff, right? So I didn't actually put that in the book. I tried to put some brakes on at some point, but yeah, so yeah, she liked that. He would have wanted me to beat her up, and I just couldn't do that.

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Oh, wow.

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah, that gets yeah, talk about that to me, is a red flag.

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What's this in the secret? It was a red, it was beyond a red flag for me. Yes. For a number for a number of reasons, Megan, right? Yes, Megan. It's Megan, right?

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Megan, yep, long E. Yep.

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Long E. Um because she's she's dangerous, right? Yes. You know, even if I could, which I couldn't, it's just that's not my thing, right? I am her friend, I think I say in the book, her friend had her boyfriend beat her up and then she had him arrested.

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Wow. This is something is this all um going on in these secret sex rooms? I

The Hidden Sex Room Reveal

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have a question. No, no, no.

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They they they they never went, they never went in my sex room. Nobody has ever listened this is gonna sound weird to you guys. I swear to God. I have had a sex room in my house. Let's talk about that. Not to the extent that it was in that house, pretty much all my life. Really? Okay, as in the I just want to say this, I want to say this. Nobody I have ever known would have ever known that. Nobody. Okay. So you keep it very hidden. When I put it in the book, I'd never told anyone, I told one person, that was Jerry, who's in the book. Uh-huh. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Nobody had any idea. And he goes, so wait a second. The first time you told people was in the book. Uh-huh. Yeah. How does one- I'm from I'm from England. We're very, very, we're very shut down about stuff like that. We don't talk about that. Now, having said that, the UK is probably one of the most sexually suppressed cultures in the world, which is why they are so sexual. Yes.

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I can see that. I I spent a summer and lived in London. So I had a few run-ins with Englishmen.

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Oh boy.

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I gotta ask.

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Let's just go to the sex room. Yeah, back to the sex room. So like open that door.

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Did you did you construct it at like when you moved in? Did you put up a wall? You did.

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No, no, I didn't put up any walls. Fortunately, the house is massive, right? So I had this massive sex room. I couldn't even use all the rooms, right? So I've got this, and it's right behind the bed. Oh what do you mean? Okay. And it goes into this huge room. Interesting. And that's where I built it in there.

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You're like, ding. Wow. This next room is happening here.

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Like perfect.

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Did you uh when I was like going through it, like I was, I don't know if you're familiar with there. There was a Netflix show. Um, it was a this designer, Melanie Rose from uh Britain, from the UK, and she would come up to a house and she would go into around it, and it's not just designing the kitchen or designing the the living room. She would just go and build a sex room. Um so I want to see that.

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Yeah, I'm gonna call it how to build a sex room. How to build a sex room. Yeah, I'm gonna buy a business. I'm a part of writing a book about it right now. Oh my god.

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Oh my god. Well, yeah. So contact Melanie. What's her name? Melanie Rose. Melanie Rose.

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What one item, what one item should every sex room have?

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Oh, that's a good question.

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Man, you're gonna make me choose one? No way.

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You can give us your top three. Um, well, you're gonna have a you're gonna have a mirrored stripper stage, number one. A mirrored stripper stage with a stripper pull, I'm assuming. Yes, yes, yes, yeah, yeah, that's for sure. Um, mirrored walls is also pretty important. So mirrors is your thing. Mirrors is very important. Thanks for catching that, man. Yes, mirrors is very important. Um and then other than that, really, you know, I mean, obviously there's a swing in there, there was uh we we had a uh you know, fuck machine, all that, you know. Oh wow, a lot of toys. Which I explained in the book.

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Yes.

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Do you remember why? Do you remember why there's a lot of toys? Do you remember why?

Shame, Pleasure, And Real Intimacy

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No, I don't know.

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This was part of the shame that I carried all through my life that actually became a massive gift in the end. Let me explain this to you, right?

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Yeah.

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So I'm a kid, right? I mean, at the time, I am still a kid, but I was a kid back then. Anyway, so we go in the showers after a game, right? And I'm the kid that gets picked on for having a small dick. Oh and of course, when that happens, all the other guys pile on because they're like, fuck, it isn't me, it's him. Exactly.

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They're happy, it's not being they're not getting picked on.

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It's around the school, all the girls know, everybody knows, right? Humiliating.

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Yes.

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Trauma. So that traumatized me, right?

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Well, it would traumatize anyone.

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Yeah, yes, even girls. Yeah. Just kidding, right. So that's so the next thing, the next thing, so how does that become a silver lining? And you know, I have I have a belief that nothing happens to you, everything happens for you.

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Yes, I know that's your old kid, you can't figure that out.

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Like, what the f you know, this is not gonna be how is this working for me, right? But later in life, when I when I became a teenager and I started dating, I mean, what am I gonna do? I have to be an old retriever. Right? If I can't pleasure her with a small dick, I gotta think of other things I gotta do. And so I became what what happened was what it caused me to do was really tune into my partner and be very sensitive to notice what I did that worked and didn't. Because every woman's different. Every woman is different. Very much so. They all have their erogenous songs and different, and I've learned how to tune into that so I could pleasure her, and I wasn't, I didn't care about getting back. The turn on for me was to give pleasure. So I became a bit of a smart, I became really good, right? So that was the silver lining, right? And here's the guys, I'm just gonna tell you this. This is the truth. So when you are able to really pleasure women, most guys can. I have no interest. I have zero interest, but you know on the you know on the headress that's you know, yeah, absolutely. They're very they're very self-serving, right? Yes. So when I have to have sex with my girlfriend, and I would tell her, I go, don't tell anybody that they can't help it. So they tell all the friends, all their girlfriends. So the friends would call me up as night or what are you doing? I go, I'm in bed, you want company.

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Oh wow.

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Oh, because of the toys or the the experience, the pleasure they were getting from him. Oh, wow.

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The girlfriend's friends were coming at him. Wow.

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Wow, yeah, yeah. Those are not girls, girls. Yeah, like who are your friends, really, right?

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100%. I would be infuriated if one of my friends was going behind my back to my boyfriend.

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Well, you know what, you know, in England, England is people tend to be loyal. They do. I mean, guys, you know, I mean, there's like an unwritten code with guys, you don't even date a girl that your friend has even been out with, right? Yes. It's kind of like it's not in writing anyway, but it's kind of like an unwritten rule, right? So it it kind of surprised me.

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I mean, I had a good time with it, but it kind of surprised me. You took them up on the did you take any of them up on the offers? Uh sometimes. Is Tomaz still in your life?

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Man, that's a good freaking question, man. So here's the deal. I haven't seen Tomaz in ten years.

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Wow, wow.

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Now here's what happened.

When Tomaz Reappears On Facebook

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You're gonna laugh, right? So, first of all, I'm writing the book. Who am I thinking about?

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Her, I'm sure. I'm thinking about her, right? Yeah, absolutely.

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And you know your thoughts and things, right? Electromagnetic energy. I knew. Because I was thinking about that so much, she's gonna be back in my life. Oh, really? So what happened, and I don't know how she found out. She found out I wrote the book. So she contacts me through Facebook. It's always Facebook. Beg your pardon?

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It's always Facebook that they can't contact me through.

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It's evil, meaning it's evil.

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Oh, I kinda like it.

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She sent me a picture, she sends me a picture of her iPad with the book on it. Oh that's smart. A cup of coffee, a cup of coffee, sitting next to it, and she she sends me a message. This book is about me. W T F.

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Yeah. Because you had used a name to prote uh a fault a fake name to protect her.

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But she realized clearly this is she knew it was her story.

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Right. But you guys are gonna last it. You guys are gonna last it, right? Okay. You know she has a dog in the book in the story, right? Yes. Disco. I put disco on the front cover.

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Oh, that's him. That's there. I didn't see a dog on there.

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There's no there isn't anymore.

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Oh, you took him off. Oh, wow. I was like, how did I miss this dog?

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I want to name my dog next dog disco.

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I love that. That's a great name. It's a great name. It's a freaking great name. Come here, Disco. The cutest freaking thing ever. It's a little uh tuxedo potty poon. It's so cute, right? Oh and he went everywhere with it. She had a uh what is it, a comfort thing, uh, what do we call it? Emotional support.

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Yes.

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Emotional support, JJ. That's exactly right. So she could take it anywhere.

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So it was a service animal.

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It never came in the sex room.

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Oh well, I would hope not.

SPEAKER_01 23:47

Well, there was some doggy style happening on the sex room side. Yeah, well, the thing is, I didn't think is that they were so close, I did not want any competition in that sex room.

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Well, uh, I mean, yeah.

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I'm joking. I'm joking. All right, so here we go. Well, what's the question? Is she in your life? Oh yes, yes, she's dealing. No, she's not. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 24:12

Well, that's probably good.

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Yeah, so she's freaking dangerous, right? Yes, so yeah, so that's the bottom line. She's not. And I she's been texting me. Well, this is the first text she actually sent me to me, right? She said, I think we need to talk, don't you? Oh, oh she wanted royalties. This is how she was, and they're really like she ran around. Oh, I got that feeling, right? And then she said, I think that disco should at least get some of the royalties. When this goes on Netflix. Wow. Oh, she knows it's gonna be on Netflix. It's an incredible story. I mean, and we do anything for our daughters. I haven't heard from you for 10 years.

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Yes.

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And that's what you care about.

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The money, yeah.

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No, not the money meeting. Her father really is a billionaire. Oh, really?

SPEAKER_04 25:04

He is. See, I wondered if she really wasn't as wealthy as she had let on.

SPEAKER_01 25:09

Well, she's not wealthy, she's broke, but her father's a billionaire. Wow. Well, but she could, but the point is you know, Megan, she could have that money anytime she's we have her on next week.

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I don't know if you know. You should.

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You should have the law. I'm telling you. So we'll get to the bottom of it. We totally. Well, two things. Number one, is she will have her own perspective, which is great. Number two, she's a liar. Oh, I'm joking. I'm joking. I love her. I love it. I want to hear what she's gonna say. I want to hear it. I'm sure.

SPEAKER_03 25:43

Well, yes, Tomas, you can reach out to us on Facebook as well.

SPEAKER_01 25:47

Yes. Flip it in podcast on Facebook. She can't she has contacted most of the podcasts that I've been here. Oh, really? Really? Oh, I'm looking forward to it. Just so you know we're not gonna have her on. I go, have her on. I can't see what she wants to say, right? And it'll be fun. And you get to see her. She's she's beautiful.

SPEAKER_04 26:04

Well, I do want to see her because she sounds like she's I mean, beautiful beyond beauty.

SPEAKER_01 26:10

She's beautiful, she's still beautiful. Yeah, because you didn't see any pictures. Oh, I hope not not if he pictures, I mean, yeah. Okay, good.

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I hope not.

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So she's no no, she's still beautiful. But she did invite me. She's living in she's living in Tulu. Oh, nice, and she invited me out to go to a retreat with her.

SPEAKER_04 26:29

Are you going?

SPEAKER_01 26:31

No.

SPEAKER_04 26:32

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 26:33

I didn't I told you, I've not responded to anything.

SPEAKER_04 26:35

Yeah, I mean, that's probably bad for your sanity.

unknown 26:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:40

Yeah. You know what I was writing about, guys? I was thinking, you know, it'd be pretty cool if we could go on a tour together. We could promote it.

SPEAKER_04 26:49

Oh, yeah, that would be very cool.

SPEAKER_01 26:51

And it'd be fun. We're funny together, you know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 26:54

But as soon as the conversation started, I went, it's just gonna be it sounds like yeah, that she's already knows how to like trigger your buttons, so to

Vulnerability As Power In Love

SPEAKER_04 27:05

speak.

SPEAKER_01 27:05

Yeah, I mean, if you like, she would she would still want to destroy me.

SPEAKER_04 27:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:10

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 27:11

Yeah. And so Dr. Dr. Edwards uh Steven, I'm I'm wondering, I want to tap into like the the human aspect of uh of yourself. Um one of the things that I personally appreciate you, even on the from the first chapter, is that you didn't even jump in into the sex and the passion of it, but you actually pretty much just opened yourself very you were very vulnerable uh in and and very raw, um, even though you went raw with her in that little hidden room. But what what I what I wanted to say with this is that were you at any point scared of putting yourself out there like that? Because sometimes us as men, we have our egos uh and we want to lean on the side of like the playfulness and this you know how martial I can be, uh and things along those lines, but but you weren't above and beyond and just being able to be completely honest of how you really wanted to put yourself out there and and you were, I mean, and you are a hopeless romantic. I mean, after four divorce, you still you know feel that you know there's this love out there. Um, so I I wanted to know like, were you scared? Was there any fear of being able to just publish this?

SPEAKER_01 28:28

Man, you're deep, JJ.

SPEAKER_04 28:30

He is. Well, he's also a counselor, that's his background.

SPEAKER_01 28:34

So yeah, so yes, I was terrified. Right? So one of the one of the reasons we wrote the book, um it well, it wasn't really to write an erotic romance, even though it is, right? It is an erotic romance. Absolutely. It was because you know, I went through something that really was traumatic. It really was, right? Um it didn't start out that way on the first day, but it ended up getting that way. Um I'm not gonna get into the whole reasons why it did and how it was helpful to me, because it was, it happened for me 100%. But I also know that during that process, you know that what's happening is not alone, right? That no one is gonna understand, right? I mean, people would say to me, Steven, you shouldn't even be in the same state as well, literally in the same room. What are you doing, right? And so I did what many people do when you're in a toxic relationship, you talk yourself into saying it, right? Absolutely. In your head, you're weighing up. You know, I was saying to myself, well, hold on a second. I can't even talk to the reader. No, no, I'm gonna go, you're probably thinking I should have broken up with it, right? Exactly. I liked how you do that. You wouldn't be enjoying this fucking story, wouldn't you?

unknown 29:49

Shut up.

SPEAKER_01 29:49

So then I go, how did I justify it? I'm going, look, let's let's figure this out, right? I've got a five foot eleven, six feet five, and a Dina heels, right? Wow, wow international supermodel. I'm living in a mansion with a sex room. I could give all that up, go back to a pretty mundane life, or I could put up with a little crazy and continue the adventure. I don't know. You helped me figure that out, right? Until I couldn't. You know, until it didn't, you know. So that was the justification. But one of the things I wanted to do to get back to your question, JJ, yeah, uh, yes, I was scared, but I've never done anything like that before. I've never been vulnerable like that. But what I realized is that vulnerability is a power. And that's what I wanted men to understand. Now, I'm gonna tell you it's not just men that have a problem being vulnerable. I would say that it's more so men. But one of the things that's Chama's is an unbelievably intellectual genius, and I she's probably borderline being a genius, right? She's so smart, right? And so she would also give me a women's perspective on things, and she would also give me her perspective of the world and where it was going, which is why they gave it the name Tamar. She's from tomorrow. I mean, she really is. She's so overthinking. The world would be thinking that way in the future without some of the things that she believes today. So I wanted people to know that vulnerability is not a weakness, it's a power. Because if you can we all things happen to all of us in our lives, right? We all do things that maybe we later regret, or we don't do things we later regret, or we don't want people to know about because we're ashamed of, right? And so we hold it all down. But the problem is that means you're only living half a life.

SPEAKER_04 31:45

Absolutely. I totally agree.

SPEAKER_01 31:47

You can only you can't be your authentic self. And you're always afraid that somebody that you love or care for dearly is gonna find out about those things and then not love you anymore. It's not even consciously, it's just it's there, right? Very true. So when you can when you can let that out, I'm not saying create a book. But when you can you know share it with your partner, I didn't say that for instance. People think that intimacy is something you find in the bedroom, and it isn't. It has to come before you get the bedroom. And the way you create intimacy is through trust. Yes. So when you share your darkest secrets with someone you love, that's scary.

SPEAKER_04 32:36

Very scary.

SPEAKER_01 32:37

Because they could use and engage you, right?

SPEAKER_04 32:39

Yes, 100%.

SPEAKER_01 32:41

Yeah, and often do. And they often do engage 100%, right? 100% they do. So what do you now know about that person?

SPEAKER_04 32:53

Yes, that's so true.

SPEAKER_01 32:55

I mean, that's when would you want to know that sooner? When would you want to know that sooner or later?

SPEAKER_04 32:59

Yeah. No, you always want to know it earlier, but sometimes when that connection is so electric, you just want to overlook those little red flags. And I will say, I know from personal experience, when I've been able to be more vulnerable with the person I'm dating, I feel like that's the better relationships I've had. Whereas when I've had those instant crazy connections, those relationships, I don't think either one of us, or at least I myself, there was such a great connection. I never opened myself up to the level maybe I should have, because it was like, oh my God, we have this connection. It's so amazing. You don't need anything else.

SPEAKER_03 33:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 33:41

And those relationships never work out.

SPEAKER_03 33:44

I will say, from my perspective and my past, I've dated somebody and I clearly knew like it ran its course, it was not healthy, and yet I would still send a text, like and be like, you know what I mean? I mean, like, why am I doing this? Because it's like, I know this isn't good for me, but like it, there's this magnetic pull to to that feeling, I guess. I don't know why, but I mean it's hard to put into words, clearly.

SPEAKER_01 34:16

But yeah, yeah, that's why I always say I always say that love and her. I can tell you why, right? Yeah, but that might be getting deeper. We might be getting deeper than we really want to do on a on a podcast, right? But there are reasons for it, right? So you guys all know there's no accidents, right? Yes, there's no coincidence, none in the universe, it's impossible, right? So you you're drawing that person in, you brought them in electromagnetic, yeah, which is like when you said, I feel like I'm a magnet for it. You are 100%, right? You're pulling them in. But it's not about the other person, it's all about you. Yeah, which I know you like that is powerful.

SPEAKER_04 34:57

Oh, yes, very important.

SPEAKER_01 34:59

Right, why shouldn't it be, right? So the thing is they are a mirror for you. Oh god, I'm gonna have to come and bring it on your couch.

SPEAKER_03 35:08

I'm gonna have to book a sesh.

SPEAKER_01 35:12

But the thing is, when you see that and you know it's all for you, you see it differently. Yeah, and you can see the gifts in there because you've drawn because there's pieces of yourself that they're mirroring back to you that you've either forgotten, left behind, been ashamed of, or not been and feared owning those potentials because you're scary. And so they're showing you reflecting you back, right? So you're probably not gonna get that in the moment, right? Because then you wouldn't be able to spirit, right? You know, you have to forget in order to remember. You have to forget in order to remember.

SPEAKER_03 35:52

When we started these tissue, like if you read his book, it says to have tissues because you might ejaculate. I need it just for this moment.

SPEAKER_04 36:02

Yes, that's so great.

SPEAKER_02 36:04

It's so great. So great.

SPEAKER_04 36:05

Thank you for that.

SPEAKER_03 36:06

Yes, thank you for that.

SPEAKER_04 36:08

I think that you've touched on so many things. The book can be a little uh we talked about yes, we talked about the sex room. There's lots of great stuff in there. But there's a message as well. But there's an underlying message. And obviously, Steven, you are you have a PhD in spiritual counseling, you do counseling, and I think these last few minutes have really touched on where you have your strengths and can really make a difference in people's lives where maybe they are ignoring the same red flags over and over again with partners and maybe not taking the steps they need to to find their true person and to heal from their past wounds and move on. So it's been amazing. Obviously, I think we've only touched on something. We're gonna have enough time. Yeah, we'll have to have you back again. But I do want to highlight your books, The Venus Fly Trap, Sex, Lives and Repercussions. It's on Amazon, along with the Venus Fly Trap, your second book, Enough Is Never Enough. And I will say that they're all on Amazon, but I bought a copy of your book a few weeks ago. Maddie just went and bought a copy of the first book, The Venus Fly Trap, Sex Lives and Repercussions, and he got the last copy.

SPEAKER_03 37:30

So flying off the shelf.

SPEAKER_04 37:31

Yes. So hopefully they will be back there again for more. But the second book, Venus Fly Trap, Enough Is Never Enough. There's plenty of copies. And thank you, Steven. You graciously offered a link for our audience members to read the first three chapters for free of your books, and they will like totally catch you and you'll that's why I went on and bought it.

SPEAKER_03 37:55

I read the first three chapters, and I'm like, well, now what? I've got to finish this tour.

SPEAKER_04 38:02

And I think also thank you again. You've offered us a discounted link for counseling sessions with you with one 30-minute free complimentary counseling session. So that's amazing. We have all the links on our Linktree. So please check it out, slip it in podcast on Linktree. Um, and with that, I think it's time for some slip it ins and pull

Green Flags, Red Flags, And Laughs

SPEAKER_04 38:23

it out.

SPEAKER_02 38:23

Are you ready for this, Steven? Oh, as we would call it, a green flag and a red flag.

SPEAKER_01 38:28

We're only gonna know after a pin through, right? Um I'm a virgin for this, so we'll see what happens. Yes, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 38:34

We're ready to break that cherry.

SPEAKER_01 38:37

Pop it.

SPEAKER_03 38:38

Uh new experience. That's what life is about.

SPEAKER_01 38:41

My cherry is good and pop. I like that. Thank you, Idiot.

SPEAKER_03 38:45

Why don't one of us go first to set the tone? Go ahead.

SPEAKER_02 38:48

Yeah, I'm gonna start with my uh slip it in, or as I call it my green flag. It's um I was I actually had the chance to uh listen to the full entire new Madonna album, Confessions 2, and it's brilliant. I've heard parts and I'm and it's so good. We've heard a single here and there, but the for the last He's taking a note.

SPEAKER_03 39:10

He's taking a note for the last week.

SPEAKER_02 39:13

I've been I love Madonna. I love Madonna. Oh you're in great company.

SPEAKER_04 39:17

We all love her too.

SPEAKER_02 39:18

Listen, like it's it's so good, and the way, if I would just give you a little advice, the way that you should listen to the album is from the beginning to the end, nonstop. Don't do a shuffle. That is she did it in a way, yeah. She did it in a way that one song goes to the other, not only with music, but also with lyrics. It's it's just brilliant. And I've all my workouts.

SPEAKER_03 39:43

I love that for her because I mean, I didn't want her to go out on that last album. I wasn't a big fan, I'll be honest. But so she's great, it's good, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 39:51

So that's definitely my slip it in. My pull it out is the uh alarm, your alarm, you snooze. There is actually a rule within Apple. I don't know if you know about this. No, and if you snooze, it's only a nine-minute snooze. Do you know why?

SPEAKER_00 40:07

Why?

SPEAKER_02 40:07

Because it's really an homage and a nostalgia to uh uh mechanical clocks that they had the hands that they never were able to get a 10 minutes, but always was nine minutes. I don't like my nine minutes.

SPEAKER_03 40:19

I don't know. I'm gonna I don't know what this is. I'm gonna when you snooze, I know what it's your fault.

SPEAKER_02 40:25

Let me just explain it to you. When you snooze, it gives you nine minutes, but it doesn't give you two mechanical clock. It's apparently, according to Apple, that is really the reason why they actually decided to do nine minutes and not five or ten. They wanted to give nostalgia. I don't have any nostalgia to a mechanical clock. I want my five minutes or ten minutes, and I want to also to be able to extend my snooze to more minutes if I want to have more minutes. So that's definitely not. You're gonna need to take this up with that. My pull out and my red flag with like the snooze moment. Okay. I feel a I feel a revolution coming on here.

SPEAKER_04 41:02

Yes, exactly. Well, let me give you a pro tip. Oh, especially if you have Alexa in your bedroom, is and hopefully she doesn't start going off now. Um I just set multiple alarms. So I don't do snooze, but if I think I'm gonna struggle to wake up, I just set a secondary alarm five, 10 minutes, whatever I want. Wow, so then I can just yell out and get the alarm to stop. Because otherwise I struggle, I snooze, it keeps coming, I think I've turned it off. It doesn't turn out, it becomes a whole nightmare. Okay. It's much easier just to say, Alexa.

SPEAKER_02 41:36

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 41:36

Stop.

SPEAKER_02 41:37

I love a I love appropriate. I love a tip and approach it as well.

SPEAKER_01 41:41

You call that genius. Thank you.

SPEAKER_03 41:45

It's feeding your ego like too many business.

SPEAKER_04 41:48

I well, you're welcome back.

SPEAKER_03 41:50

I will tell you, I don't even use alarms. I wake up just when I don't just by nature.

SPEAKER_02 41:55

Yeah, look at you. Well, thank you, Megan. I I love a tip.

SPEAKER_04 42:00

Oh, thank you. Or say it. I'm sure you do love a tip.

SPEAKER_03 42:04

I'm gonna go next. I'm gonna go next. All right. So, Steven, my I'm gonna ask a favor, and you can and but you can make my slip it in even better. Is I just love it.

SPEAKER_01 42:15

Whatever I can do to help.

SPEAKER_03 42:16

I love an accent. Ah I'm a sucker for I've said this before, like brown men. Fascinating. We call them men. Well, I like oh, beige. I go I call him a man of color. I love also ethnicity and diversity. And and and I I'm gonna tie it back a little bit to the book because you said you had two versions of your accent. One you kicked in that was very heavy, uh, to bring her and reel her in.

SPEAKER_00 42:48

Can you just heavy British accent?

SPEAKER_03 42:52

Can you slip in a little heavy British accent for me? Like what that looked like when you were setting up the backgammon table and the flowers and talking with the Maitre D. I please.

SPEAKER_01 43:04

I didn't I didn't go that far. I didn't go that far, but I can't, but I came behind her for the first time, and she's standing on that wrap. And she's got a compact down, but she's looking in a you know, she's finishing because I she couldn't see me. Like a movie in the bathroom. And I come out, and I I don't remember exactly how I said it, but I said it in a very strong sort of upper class English. Hello. Say again. Hello. Hello. So, you know, the British talk way back here, you know, the uh the upper class, the the elite, you know. Uh so they talk right over here. Yeah sort of high in the chest. I can see yes, well let's that's fine, darling. Let's have tea now. I'll take her lover, and then you can bring out the scones, the strawberries, and the cream while Brian and I are talking about croquet. Yes, croquet.

SPEAKER_04 43:55

Yes, love it.

SPEAKER_02 43:56

While we're having some tea.

SPEAKER_03 43:59

Oh god. Thank you for that. Thank you for indulging me. My pull it out. Um, and JJ can attest to this. And I can't figure out what my compulsive behavior why I do this, but when I'm drinking a soda or a water in a bottle where I can see the level of the beverage, when it gets down to like an inch left, I don't, I don't like to finish it.

SPEAKER_01 44:24

Oh my God.

SPEAKER_03 44:25

That's so true. I leave them around the house. That's awful. And I have some in I and then I'm like, why? I don't know. I abandon the soda because I don't want it to finish it. And then I do go back to it. Usually the next day I'll use it to take my morning meds.

SPEAKER_04 44:40

Oh, oh my God. So I thought it was like you were thinking this last sip is more like backwash. But the fact that you're gonna use it the next day for meds when it's like I know definitely lost all fizz and everything. Disgusting.

SPEAKER_03 44:53

It's almost like I'm feeling like if I drink the last of it, it doesn't serve a purpose. So by keeping it and having a purpose, I'm like, that's complicated in my head. I just I gotta work through it, but I you do need to work through it because this is a dating red flag.

SPEAKER_04 45:10

Boys are not gonna want this around. I noticed this when we've traveled. Like there are these empty things around.

SPEAKER_03 45:17

It was at the cabin last week and they were all over the place.

SPEAKER_04 45:20

Did you notice? I kept picking them up and throwing them out.

SPEAKER_02 45:23

Please book your session with Dr. Edwards because I think that there's a lot you need to unwrap here.

SPEAKER_01 45:28

There's a lot going on. Yeah. This is a good thing. I don't know. Maddie, Maddie, here's the funny thing. Here's the funny thing. This is gonna sound weird, and I promise you it's true. I'm going to do the same thing, bro. Oh no! Listen, listen, listen, like let me explain what I do, right? So I drink red tea, herbal tea. Okay. I make a big jug of it, right? And I mix it with Perrier water.

SPEAKER_00 45:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 45:52

Those bottles about this big and Perrier water, right? So when I make a drink, I put the black tea in and I put the Perrier in it. And it's never enough to take the whole bottle. Oh, so you have some leftover in there. I screw the top icon and I put it in the fridge. Which you know you can't hold all the carbonization in there. Yeah. But you know, the next thing when I put it in, I'm always hoping. I hope this doesn't go to the top so I can put a new one in as well. But the reality is I should just throw it away. Yes, throw it away. Yes, I yes, I know. So you cured me of that. Thank you so much. Oh my god, I'm I'm here for you. I'm just gonna throw it away, mate. Because sometimes I go up to the fridge and go, yeah, I'm not doing that. I'm not doing the little bit in the bottom. I'm gonna go with a new one, right?

SPEAKER_03 46:34

Well, you can save it and give it a purpose of. I mean, I don't know if you have to take a morning med, but oh nah.

SPEAKER_04 46:41

I can't. No.

SPEAKER_03 46:43

All right, all right. Enough about me, Steven. Why don't you jump in with your slips and pulls? All right. This is gonna be so I hope.

SPEAKER_01 46:52

Um I don't know. The the slip in is one of the things that really changed my life is a belief. And I've mentioned it earlier. And we could get into why and some of the things that have happened, but that is that nothing happens to you. Yeah, everything happens for you. It's easy to say, it's different to live. Yeah, it's easy when everything's going great, right? Except when you're going through your most hellacious experience, maybe the dark night of the soul, whatever it is, it's a lot different to believe it at that point. And and I just want to I just want to also say I don't always get it in the moment, right? In the moment, I might freaking scream angry, you know, the whole freaking nine yards. But at some point I'm gonna sit my ass down and go, okay. So this happened before me, huh? This is fucking good exactly.

SPEAKER_03 47:39

Well, what is this number trying to tell me in that moment? Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 47:44

So that's the slip in. The slip out is very destructive. So you have to be very careful. I'm gonna tell you all the secret, all your listeners' secrets. Oh god, that if you fall for this, you're gonna be in serious trouble. Okay. And this is something we eat in England. Oh. It is so good that it's it's like heroin. You have it once, it's an iridic.

SPEAKER_00 48:08

Really? You have a code.

SPEAKER_01 48:11

It's called soaring malt load. Okay, wait. What is it? Soaring malt load? That's the brand. Oh the brand. You're gonna get soaring. Don't get any other brand. Okay. Has to be soaring. S-O-R-E-E-N-F-M-A-L-T loaf.

SPEAKER_03 48:30

I mean, I'm gonna be honest, based on the name, it's not drawing me in. So tell like.

SPEAKER_01 48:36

Well, this is why people don't know about it, Daddy. Okay. It's a secret that most people don't know about. What is malt loaf? I don't even know. I don't know. I don't know what the hell is. How would we get it? It's amazing. Well, you can get it online. You can you could probably get it at Amazon. Okay. Well, you know, there are all kinds of English stores online you can get it from. You know, when we let me let me just say one last thing about it, yes, yes, yes, yes. You cut it into slices, make sure they're thick slices, okay, and then you put tons of butter on it, like thick butter.

SPEAKER_04 49:10

Okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 49:11

Unbelievable. Doesn't have to you're gonna have to warm it up. You're not gonna eat it cold with cold butter. You gotta write me about it. You could probably write a book about it, wouldn't you have it?

SPEAKER_03 49:23

Amazing.

SPEAKER_02 49:24

Steven, so it has to be thick and a good spread.

SPEAKER_03 49:30

JJ loves that. He loves it in your window. I'm trying to get this loaf out. Um typically, like, we'll do reviews of products or things that we're obsessed with, unless we have a guest like yourself. And today you are the product basically in your book, and and we're very honored by that. Um, but this malt loaf might be ordered, and we might have to tell you how to do it. We might have to test it and and do it at a feature.

SPEAKER_01 49:57

You know what we should do? We should have a very private viewing. Okay, and we'll just all get it together at the same time.

SPEAKER_03 50:05

I would love that.

SPEAKER_01 50:06

All say goodbye together.

SPEAKER_03 50:07

Let's oh my god, and we can just experience it together and the reaction. Let's order it. Okay. That was a awesome. I I mean, it's kind of a slip it in for me, but it was your pull it out because you can't stop eating it. You can't stop.

SPEAKER_04 50:20

I love it.

SPEAKER_03 50:20

I love kind of that type of well.

SPEAKER_04 50:22

I will close it out and I'm gonna take us back to

Dog Meds Struggles And Closing Links

SPEAKER_04 50:25

dogs. We talked a little bit about disco. I have a very rambunctious Rottweiler, and I my slip it in is I love Rottweilers as a breed because they're so smart, they're very easy to train, they have a lot of personality. But my pull it out is also Rottweilers, because my Rottweiler, Fitzpatrick, just had surgery to remove some fatty tumors. And now he's on all these meds. And so he is so smart that whenever I put these meds in, whether it's a meatball, a hot dog, whipped cream, he will eat it and then he chews it up and spits the pill out. So I'm constantly having to figure out new ways to hide these pills so I can keep him on these meds that he needs one for pain, for infection, et cetera. And now I'm used to taking capsules and putting them in whipped cream that he normally will eat up immediately. Now he won't touch the whipped cream. But if I put my fingers in it and give him a tube of my fingers full of the whipped cream, he'll lick it. He only wants a finger. And I'm like, I'm enough. Like he I just I'm at my wit's end. I've got some water bottles that won't be water bottles. I'm working on, you know, cheese-stuffed hot dogs, meatballs.

SPEAKER_02 51:43

So that is your slip it in or you're pulling out. It sounds like both both.

SPEAKER_04 51:47

Slip it in some pull it out.

SPEAKER_03 51:48

They're so smart, but too smart.

SPEAKER_04 51:49

They're too smart. Exactly, because he knows there's a pill in there when I'm giving him these meatballs.

SPEAKER_03 51:54

He's a smart boy. I love that.

SPEAKER_04 51:56

It's out of control.

SPEAKER_03 51:58

He literally eats the hot dog and spits the pill. Yes.

SPEAKER_04 52:01

I mean, that's so I'm constantly picking up the pills, putting them in something else, trying to hide them in something else. And I've gotten like I've tried everything. Like, so I'm kind of at the few things that I know are still semi-working, but he's spitting half the pills out. Yeah. So he's getting like double the meatballs because I keep doing it all over.

SPEAKER_03 52:22

The apple doesn't fall far because he's been calling you so smart, and you've raised a very smart dog. Yes, exactly. Not even a finger.

SPEAKER_02 52:29

Sometimes the finger will make it up.

SPEAKER_03 52:31

It comes in with the N U Wendom.

SPEAKER_04 52:34

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 52:34

Well, okay.

SPEAKER_04 52:36

Anyway, this has been so fun and enlightening. Thank you so much, Steven. We've enjoyed it. Um, for our slippers, check out our Linktree at Slip It In Podcast on Linktree. We have all the links that we've talked about today for uh Steven's books and his counseling sessions. You'll find it all there, plus that discount code for that free 30-minute counseling session. And yes, and you'll find links to both of his books on Amazon. And you'll you know, you can always reach out to us on our uh Instagram, TikTok, X, Facebook, all at Slip Itin Podcast. You can always text us, call us 313-444-9004, and of course, email us slipitinpodcast at gmail.com.

SPEAKER_03 53:23

I think you got it all.

SPEAKER_04 53:24

I know. Until next time. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you so much, guys.

SPEAKER_01 53:27

Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_04 53:28

Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 53:29

Bye bye.